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Brother Oving sent this from The Netherlands. This shows that Islam has no zeal for holiness.  They are joining the rest of the world in pampering sodomites.  SHAME!



Subj: Re: The article finally in TEXT-format
Date: 98-02-08 05:37:42 EST
From: (oving)

Origin: article from Trouw, a Dutch Newspaper, January 31, 1998.

Title: Yoesuf is a very beautiful man / Muslims want to talk about taboo on homosexuality.

AMSTERDAM - The Netherlands have since Thursday a second helpdesk for Moslems coming to the discovery that they are homosexual. The foundation Yoesuf wants to review the Islamic background of the homosexuals because helpdesk-members have found out that some Moslems are having problems with that.  A few months ago has the more-liberal Turkish-Islamic foundation Ipoth already founded a shelter for Homo-Moslems.

There is no existing subject amongst Moslems so sensitive as homosexuality. There is the widespread practice in Islamic countries, but homosexuality is formally not existing. In the liberal Dutch climate this cannot be covered.

The foundation Yoesuf wants to give information, not only to the people involved, but also to family-members, colleagues and friends, docents and helpdesk-members and also institutes. Further, Yoesuf offers Moslems having problems with their homosexuality, a helping hand.  Also wants the foundation to make a study of the visions from within Islam about homosexuality and of the image in Islam and sexuality in her ways. For now Yoesuf's residence is in Roermond.   The founder Omar Nahas has studied at the University of Amsterdam on the subject Homo-studies.

The name Yoesuf is chosen because he is according the Koran a verybeautiful man according to Nahas. The wife of the pharaoh wanted to tempt him. The story in the Koran is according Nahas not about the man - wife - relation, but about temptation in common. It holds the warning not to point the finger on the other.

Nahas, from the Middle East, is author of a book in Arabic about this subject. His goal is that Moslems should tolerate the homosexual kind.  Accepting of homosexual practice is not a point of discussion. 'You have not to live your sexuality'; he calls that, what means the rejecting of anal sex. "I base this argument on the Koran. I do not want my opinion overrules the opinion of others. But I can bring somebody in contact with a imam of choice -orthodox or liberal."

Some members of the committee of recommendation are S. Abdus Sattar, publicist about Moslem-Manners, Chairman N. Maddoe of the Dutch Moslem Council en Second-Chamber-member (government) M. Rabbae. "With Homo-sex every Moslem closes the door, even when they are Moslem-Homo's", according to Abdus Sattar, mentioning that it is now the time that the taboo in the Islamic community to talk about it, disappears.   In the committee of recommendations are, according to her, people with several different opinions about homosexuality.

Cem Ariklar of the organization for Islamic Homo's "Ipoth" is not happy with the Yoesuf-initiative. "We are for years busy with the instructions-meetings in mosques. Since a few months we have a shelter.   We say: Islam and homosexuality go together, like Islam and heterosexuality go together. That is without any reservation because being homosexual. Our vision differs by that from that of Yoesuf, also having heterosexuals in the committee, not mentioning the lesbians. We want not only discussion en tolerance, but also, and especially equal rights."


The article in Dutch:  This is here to prove this was not invented.


Origine: artikel uit Trouw, een Nederlands Nieuwsblad, Zaterdag 31 Januari 1998.

Titel: Yoesuf is een heel mooie man / Moslims willen praten over taboe op homoseksualiteit.

AMSTERDAM - Nederland heeft sinds donderdag een tweede aanspreekpunt voor moslims die tot ontdekking komen dat zij homoseksueel zijn. De stichting Yoesuf wil de islamitische achtergrond van de homoseksuelen in ogenschouw nemen omdat hulpverleners is gebleken dat sommige moslims daarmee problemen hebben.  Enkele maanden geleden heeft de vrijzinniger Turks-islamitische stichting Ipoth al een opvanghuis voor homo-moslims opgericht.

Er bestaat geen onderwerp dat onder moslims zo gevoelig ligt als homoseksualiteit. Ondanks de wijdverbreide praktijk in islamitische landen, komt homoseksualiteit er formeel net voor. In het liberale Nederlandse klimaat is  dit niet vol te houden.

De stichting Yoesuf wil informatie geven, niet alleen aan betrokkenen, maar ook aan familieleden, collega's en vrienden, docenten en hulpverleners als ook aan instanties. Verder biedt Yoesuf moslims die problemen met hun homoseksualiteit hebben, hulpverlening aan.

Ook wil de stichting studie maken van de visies vanuit de islam over homoseksualiteit en van de beeldvorming over islam en seksualiteit in haar belevingsvormen. Voorlopig is Yoesuf gevestigd in Roermond. De oprichter Omar Nahas heeft op de Universiteit van Amsterdam homostudies gestudeerd.

Er is voor de naam Yoesuf gekozen omdat hij in de koran als een heel mooie man wordt omschreven, aldus Nahas. De vrouw van de farao wilde hem verleiden. Het verhaal in de koran gaat volgens Nahas niet over de man-vrouw-verhouding, maar over verleiding in het algemeen. Het bevat de vermaning niet de waarschuwende  vinger op de ander te richten.  Nahas, afkomstig uit het Midden-Oosten, is auteur van een boek in het Arabisch over dit onderwerp. Zijn streven is dat moslims de homoseksuele aanleg zouden moeten tolereren. Aanvaarding van homoseksuele praktijken is daarbij niet aan de orde. 'Je moet je seksualiteit niet leven', noemt hij dat, hetgeen neerkomt op afwijzing van anale seks. "Dit standpunt baseer ik op de koran. Ik wil het aan niemand opdringen. Wel kan ikiemand in contact brengen met een imam naar keuze -orthodox of liberaal."

Leden van het comité van aanbeveling zijn onder anderen S. Abdus Sattar, publiciste over moslimzaken, voorzitter N. Maddoe van de Nederlandse Moslim Raad en Tweede-Kamerlid M. Rabbae. "Bij homoseks gaat bij iedere moslim de deur dicht, zelfs bij moslim -homo's", aldus Abdus Sattar, die het hoog tijd vindt dat het taboe in de islamitische gemeenschap om er zelfs maar over te praten wordt opgeheven.

In het comité van aanbevelingen zitten volgens haar mensen met allerlei verschillende meningen over homoseksualiteit. Cem Ariklar van de organisatie voor islamitische homo's Ipoth is niet blij met het Yoesuf-iniatief. "Wij zijn al jaren bezig het voorlichtingsbijeenkomsten in moskeeën. Sinds enkele maanden hebben wij een opvanghuis.

Wij zeggen: islam en homoseksualiteit gaan samen, zoals islam en heteroseksualiteit samengaan. Dus zonder enige beperking vanwege het homo-zijn. Onze visie verschilt dus van die van Yoesuf, waar overigens ook hetero's in zitten, en die zich niet richt op lesbiennes. Wij willen niet alleen discussie en tolerantie, maar vooral gelijke rechten.


My comment on the article:


Comment on the article:

When i first read the article, i could not believe my eyes. Many Muslims are keeping the myth alive that homosexuality is not allowed in Islam and some say Islam is a perfect religion, by that making the argument that in Islam is no homosexuality at all. This article proves that they are wrong about that.  The laws and punishment of Islam cannot stop that sin.

To stop that sin, there has to be a change of the heart.  In the Bible that is called: repenting.  There is a first time repenting: giving your heart to Jesus.  And there are several times that the believer is on the wrong path, and he/she has to turn to the good path, because they are not following the footsteps of Jesus.

In Islam the answer on being on the wrong path, are the most brutal punishments. With other words: punishment on the outside.  The inside does not matter. The society is punishing him/her, forgetting that the only righteous Judge is in heaven.

The Bible says that the greatest punishment is to be far away from God. Because of my sins, God forsook Jesus Christ. God cannot be in contact with sin.

Jesus Christ has taken the punishment for the sins of this world, those are free of the punishment who believe in Him.  The answer of Islam is punishment, away with him/her!  The answer of Jesus Christ is: repent, ask forgiveness:  And the son said to him, Father, i have sinned against heaven and before thee; I am no longer worthy to be called thy son." (Luke 15:21)

And after that the Father shows mercy: "Bring out the best robe and clothe him in it, etc." Because of the work of Jesus Christ there can be mercy if someone repents and ask forgiveness of his/her sins.  This is not an excuse for the sin committed.  From the moment of the sin committed, there is no contact anymore with God.

That is the most important result of sin. If someone not repents from that sin and ask forgiveness on the ground of the work of Jesus Christ, that someone will be judged on Judgment Day.  That someone has to face the punishments by country law for sins not allowed in the earthly law, also. But the most important thing is:  How is your position in the eyes of God?

Are you far away, not accepting the Gift of His Son, Jesus Christ?  Or do you want to be close to God:  "But now in Christ ye who once were afar off are become nigh by the blood of Christ". (Eph. 2:13)  And: "For through him we have both access by one Spirit to the Father."  (Eph. 2:18). This is the most important question on this world: how is your position in the eyes of God?

For those who read the article about the solution Muslims think they have for some sins, like homosexuality: on human logic, on human acting, on works, none of that can be a solution to solve the main problem of having no contact with God.

The article shows that Islam is like a chameleon, it takes the color of its territory.

It took some old legends, some old myths of Arabia.

It took some things of the Old Testament and the New Testament.

It took some things of old pagan beliefs.

It took some things of ancient poems of the Middle East.

And what does it now?

It is becoming liberal to look friendly to the liberals. Adaptation was the magic word in Islam in ancient times, and it is still now.

God cannot be in contact with sins.

God cannot be in contact with sins like homosexuality.

He is Holy.

There is no 'adaptation' by God.

God is Holy.

The article proves that the adaptations of Islam come to the result that Islam allows sin.

The result of that conclusion is that Islam does not come from God.  There is an answer for those having problems with their 'kind' of sexuality, there is an answer for those having any problem at all.

Accept Jesus Christ as your Saviour,


Ask forgiveness,

And the result is: "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous to forgive us sins, and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." (1 John 1:9)

"And the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanses us from all sin" 1 John 1:7b)

"if any one sin, we have a patron with the Father, Jesus Christ righteous; and is the propitiation for our sins" (1 John 1:2b-3a)

If you stay in a system of rituals, some religion or whatever, you will be in a prison all your life.  God wants you to be free from the slavery of sin: In the Old Testament -and- New Testament He repeats this message:

OT: "The Spirit of the Lord Jehovah is upon me, because Jehovah hath anointed me to announce glad tidings unto the meek; he hath send me to bind up the broken-hearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and opening of the prison to them that are bound; to proclaim the acceptable year of Jehovah" (Isaiah 61:1-2a)

NT: "But, having got your freedom from sin, and having become bondmen to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end eternal life. For the wages of sin is death; but the act of favour of God, eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." (Romans 6:22-23)

Do not seek human solutions but: GIVE YOUR HEART TO JESUS CHRIST!



In Christ,

Willem Oving