is the nature of us humans to submit to leadership, while at the same time, it
is the nature of sinners to rebel against authority. So, we have this war inside
us all, pulling in opposite directions, which Paul spoke of in Romans 7:
7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for
to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that
blessing of the Christian life is that the Holy Ghost, when we are submitted to
him, will guide us into submission to the leaders God has placed over us, whether
civil in Caesar's acre, on in the assembly of the saints.
is a very grievous aspect to this. As we have arrived squarely in the Laodicean
church age, we see that the vast majority of pastors, deacons, elders, evangelists,
and other church leaders are unworthy to be called MEN OF GOD.
the Old Testament there was one "man of God," or prophet if you like,
who said this about the coming Messiah:
24:17 I shall see him, but not now: I shall behold him, but not nigh: there shall
come a Star out of Jacob, and a Sceptre shall rise out of Israel, and shall smite
the corners of Moab, and destroy all the children of Sheth.
18 And Edom shall
be a possession, Seir also shall be a possession for his enemies; and Israel shall
19 Out of Jacob shall come he that shall have dominion, and
shall destroy him that remaineth of the city.
prophecy is about Messiah, Jesus Christ, and is to be fulfilled in the coming
Kingdom of a thousand years. You can count on it coming true. You can teach it
as absolute truth. And, you must also tell the listener that the prophet, Balaam,
who gave this prophecy is now burning in hell. His "ministry" was perhaps
among the top five most wicked in the whole Bible.
we see this. Jack Van Impe preached the Gospel for many years, he memorized much
of the Bible, and many people were born again as he preached the Gospel. He is
now sold out to the Pope and Paul Crouch, and he mocks at the narrow way where
we stand. I fully believe he never was born again.
Graham preached Christ, and, in spite of the claims of Bob Jones University, Graham
left nothing out and was more faithful to the the King James Bible than Bob Jones
ever was. We have a friend who kept Ethel Waters, Graham's famous Black singer,
in her home during the last days of Ethel's life. Stories this friend told, and
others we heard in quiet corners, convince us that Ethel Waters was genuinely
born again. Miss Waters made it clear in her testimony that, after years of trying
to learn how to return from her raucous night club career to her mamma's faith
in God, it was Billy Graham who made the way plain and lead her to faith in Jesus
Christ. Thousands of people claim that the preaching of Billy Graham brought them
to faith in Jesus Christ.
Billy Graham recently, as he came to the end of his life, went on the TV show
of the 33rd degree Freemason and damnable pagan, Robert Schuler, and Graham made
the statement that God will receive sincere Buddhists into heaven who have never
believed on the Lord Jesus Christ. And Graham said hell is here and now, not for
eternity. Billy Graham, by the witness of his own mouth, has denied the faith
and will burn in hell if he does not repent. But, he preached the Gospel, and
many were saved, and they will rejoice in their eternal reward. My only hope that
I will see my grandmother, on my Dad's side, in heaven is that she claimed to
have accepted Christ after listening to Billy Graham on the radio.
what about your pastor, and the deacons or elders in your local church? Just because
a man can shuck the corn and get some things right from the King James Bible does
NOT mean he is a "man of God."
is a pastor a MAN OF GOD?
have an exalted view of pastors. The word "pastor" is only used once
in the New Testament, and it is never formally defined. The offices of a bishop,
elder, and the deacon's office are well defined, but nowhere is the title "pastor"
listed with the other offices. In fact, based on rules of interpretation, the
pastor in the local church is not of any special consideration except as a shepherd
to feed sheep. "Pastor" is the English equivalent of the Greek word
all powerful and brutal aspect of most pastors' behavior these days leads us to
ask how we may discern if we have a shepherd or a bastard.
[Please hit the link so you will understand this is a biblical concept.]
are men who lead who are not bastards and brutes.
They have serious faults, but their faults do not lead them to bash sheep and
demand absolute obedience. God NEVER used a man in his service, from Genesis to
Revelation, who was brutal on his people. If a good man turned brutal, God chastened
now make a study of the life of Jehu. He bashed up the wicked, but he was gentle
and manly with the righteous:
Kings 19:16 And Jehu the son of Nimshi shalt thou anoint to be king over Israel:
and Elisha the son of Shaphat of Abelmeholah shalt thou anoint to be prophet in
17 And it shall come to pass, that him that escapeth the sword of
Hazael shall Jehu slay: and him that escapeth from the sword of Jehu shall Elisha
Kings 9:22 And it came to pass, when Joram saw Jehu, that he said, Is it peace,
Jehu? And he answered, What peace, so long as the whoredoms of thy mother Jezebel
and her witchcrafts are so many?
Kings 10:15 And when he was departed thence, he lighted on Jehonadab the son of
Rechab coming to meet him: and he saluted him, and said to him, Is thine heart
right, as my heart is with thy heart? And Jehonadab answered, It is. If it be,
give me thine hand. And he gave him his hand; and he took him up to him into the
16 And he said, Come with me, and see my zeal for the LORD. So they
made him ride in his chariot.
Teddy Roosevelt lead his Regiment of Rough Riders up San Juan Hill in Cuba, there
was only one man riding a horse-- Teddy Roosevelt. The rest of the soldiers were
on foot. That means that Col. Roosevelt had to ride slow and hold his horse back
so that he would not break away from his men and be all alone. It also means that
he was an easy target. Why he was not killed is beyond explanation. As the battle
was engaged, the Rough Riders were at the bottom of the hill and pinned down badly.
Col. Roosevelt realized that if they were going to take the hill, and the command
headquarters of the enemy on the other side of the hill, they would have to assault
the hill suddenly. Col. Roosevelt did not stand in the rear and yell "charge."
He rode out in the open, under heavy fire, and yelled, "Follow me."
with Jehu and Roosevelt, if a man like this has faults, we may still love him.
But he is only dangerous to the enemy, not to us. He leads into the battle and
makes no demands on the saints that he himself has not mastered. God may, in his
mercy, overlook some faults in a man who is a true shepherd, meek with the sheep,
and rough on rats with the wolf. This was the case with Jehu.
faulted Jehu because he did not destroy the calves of Baal worship, but he cleansed
the land of evil and killed Jezebel, and God said:
Kings 10:17 And when he came to Samaria, he slew all that remained unto Ahab in
Samaria, till he had destroyed him, according to the saying of the LORD, which
he spake to Elijah.
18 And Jehu gathered all the people together, and said
unto them, Ahab served Baal a little; but Jehu shall serve him much.
therefore call unto me all the prophets of Baal, all his servants, and all his
priests; let none be wanting: for I have a great sacrifice to do to Baal; whosoever
shall be wanting, he shall not live. But Jehu did it in subtilty, to the intent
that he might destroy the worshippers of Baal.
20 And Jehu said, Proclaim
a solemn assembly for Baal. And they proclaimed it.
21 And Jehu sent through
all Israel: and all the worshippers of Baal came, so that there was not a man
left that came not. And they came into the house of Baal; and the house of Baal
was full from one end to another.
22 And he said unto him that was over the
vestry, Bring forth vestments for all the worshippers of Baal. And he brought
them forth vestments.
23 And Jehu went, and Jehonadab the son of Rechab, into
the house of Baal, and said unto the worshippers of Baal, Search, and look that
there be here with you none of the servants of the LORD, but the worshippers of
24 And when they went in to offer sacrifices and burnt offerings,
Jehu appointed fourscore men without, and said, If any of the men whom I have
brought into your hands escape, he that letteth him go, his life shall be for
the life of him.
25 And it came to pass, as soon as he had made an end of
offering the burnt offering, that Jehu said to the guard and to the captains,
Go in, and slay them; let none come forth. And they smote them with the edge of
the sword; and the guard and the captains cast them out, and went to the city
of the house of Baal.
26 And they brought forth the images out of the house
of Baal, and burned them.
27 And they brake down the image of Baal, and brake
down the house of Baal, and made it a draught house unto this day.
Jehu destroyed Baal out of Israel.
Kings 10:29 Howbeit from the sins of Jeroboam the son of Nebat, who made Israel
to sin, Jehu departed not from after them, to wit, the golden calves that were
in Bethel, and that were in Dan.
30 And the LORD said unto Jehu, Because thou
hast done well in executing that which is right in mine eyes, and hast done unto
the house of Ahab according to all that was in mine heart, thy children of the
fourth generation shall sit on the throne of Israel.
Jehu did not bash and torment the sheep of God, Israel. King Saul killed priests
and tormented God's people, and God made sure he and his son died ignominiously,
pathetically, and so that all Israel could see their fall in disgrace.
obviously had some rough concepts of serving God when he went into the streets
of Egypt, and killing men was part of the plan. God took Moses into the backside
of the desert and let him follow smelly dirty sheep and walk in their manure for
forty years, and then, ONLY then, was Moses mild enough and wise enough to be
a shepherd to the Hebrews.
12:3 (Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face
of the earth.)
only time Moses became enraged with the Hebrews was when he struck the rock the
second time in disobedience to God's instruction. For that single loss of temper
Moses missed the entrance into the Promised Land and all its glory. God does NOT
look on jack boot brutes in the church house with patience. If they do not receive
his severe discipline, you may be sure that they are NOT born again. They may
preach the Gospel, and people may even be saved, but these men are damned to hell.
will you stay under their evil leadership, or will you discern them and leave?
Many a submissive silly ass has stayed on and on under such preachers or pastors,
and their kids rebel and learn to defame the Gospel and even hate God. The price
of bland submission to evil men is high. Let us consider how you can discern the
true MAN OF GOD.
THE "PASTOR" THE EXCLUSIVE "MAN OF GOD"?
is only ONE place in the New Testament where the title "pastor" is used.
4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and
some, pastors and teachers;
next verse defines what these men are to be doing:
4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying
of the body of Christ:
are not said to rule. Read that again please.
are not said to be paid. Read that again also.
are no elders of deacons in the list, so deacons and elders, as found in I Timothy
and in John's epistles, are the only rulers in the assembly. A pastor is not an
office holder in the Lord's Church, and he has NO basis to demand respect or obedience.
Fundamental church pastors will tell you that a pastor is an elder. Well, the
Bible does not say that. The conclusion is convenient, but it is urban legend.
a pastor does not give himself to the perfecting of the saints, the ministering
to the saints, and the edification of the saints, he is a mongrel pretender. He
should be removed from "the ministry," and put under church discipline
with no responsibility until he behaves like a servant again.
does it mean to feed sheep in biblical terms?
sheep does NOT mean to scream and hack and bawl in the pulpit like a fool. It
does not mean preaching the Gospel Sunday after Sunday to saved people. Is does
not mean preaching on tithing every third Sunday. Is does not mean preaching from
one verse followed by much joking and loonie typology. Feeding sheep consists
of much study of the Word, and then teaching through books of the Bible. All topical
teaching will be targeted to a specific need, such as understanding Bible prophecy
or dealing with the cults in soul winning.
a MAN OF GOD who is really feeding sheep will not have to waste his time talking
them down the aisle in altar calls to give them the warm fuzzies. Well fed sheep
will go forth and do mighty acts for Christ six days between Sundays. This is
why so many churches have revivals-- nothing is happening, and the sheep are starved.
They need a week of high tension blather to give them the illusion that they are
fully loaded. But when they go off Monday morning after the revival week, it is
with a very weak pop.
"MAN OF GOD"
IN THE OLD TESTAMENT
What distinguishes a
man of God?
Samuel 9:6 And he said unto him, Behold now, there is in this city a man of God,
and he is an honourable man; all that he saith cometh surely
to pass: now let us go thither; peradventure he can shew us our way that we should
The man of God
Samuel 3:19 And Samuel grew, and the LORD was with him, and did let none of his
words fall to the ground.
man of God does not have diarrhea of the mouth.
Kings 4:8 And it fell on a day, that Elisha passed to Shunem, where was a great
woman; and she constrained him to eat bread. And so it was, that as oft as he
passed by, he turned in thither to eat bread.
9 And she said unto her husband,
Behold now, I perceive that this is an holy man of God,
which passeth by us continually.
man of God is holy.
Kings 5:8 And it was so, when Elisha the man of God had heard that the king of
Israel had rent his clothes, that he sent to the king, saying, Wherefore hast
thou rent thy clothes? let him come now to me, and he shall know that there is
a prophet in Israel.
9 So Naaman came with his horses and with his chariot,
and stood at the door of the house of Elisha.
10 And Elisha sent a messenger
unto him, saying, Go and wash in Jordan seven times, and thy flesh shall come
again to thee, and thou shalt be clean.
14 Then went he down, and dipped himself
seven times in Jordan, according to the saying of the man of God: and his flesh
came again like unto the flesh of a little child, and he was clean.
man of God is a healer.
Kings 6:8 Then the king of Syria warred against Israel, and took counsel with
his servants, saying, In such and such a place shall be my camp.
9 And the
man of God sent unto the king of Israel, saying, Beware that thou pass not such
a place; for thither the Syrians are come down.
10 And the king of Israel
sent to the place which the man of God told him and warned him of, and saved himself
there, not once nor twice.
The man of God gives life saving counsel.
man of God--
Kings 13:5 The altar also was rent, and the ashes poured out from the altar, according
to the sign which the man of God had given by the word of the LORD.
prophecy was fulfilled- He told the truth.
Kings 13:8 And the man of God said unto the king, If thou wilt give me half thine
house, I will not go in with thee, neither will I eat bread nor drink water in
He would not respond to flattery from powerful men.
Kings 13:8 And the man of God said unto the king, If thou wilt give me half thine
house, I will not go in with thee, neither will I eat bread nor drink water in
would not respond to flattery from powerful men.
For so was it charged me by the word of the LORD, saying, Eat no bread, nor drink
water, nor turn again by the same way that thou camest.
10 So he went another
way, and returned not by the way that he came to Bethel.
11 Now there dwelt
an old prophet in Bethel; and his sons came and told him all the works that the
man of God had done that day in Bethel: the words which he had spoken unto the
king, them they told also to their father.
12 And their father said unto them,
What way went he? For his sons had seen what way the man of God went, which came
13 And he said unto his sons, Saddle me the ass. So they saddled
him the ass: and he rode thereon,
14 And went after the man of God, and found
him sitting under an oak: and he said unto him, Art thou the man of God that camest
from Judah? And he said, I am.
15 Then he said unto him, Come home with me,
and eat bread.
16 And he said, I may not return with thee, nor go in with
thee: neither will I eat bread nor drink water with thee in this place:
For it was said to me by the word of the LORD, Thou shalt eat no bread nor drink
water there, nor turn again to go by the way that thou camest.
He said unto him, I am a prophet also as thou art; and an angel spake unto me
by the word of the LORD, saying, Bring him back with thee into thine house, that
he may eat bread and drink water. But he lied unto him.
19 So he went back
with him, and did eat bread in his house, and drank water.
21 And he cried
unto the man of God that came from Judah, saying, Thus saith the LORD, Forasmuch
as thou hast disobeyed the mouth of the LORD, and hast not kept the commandment
which the LORD thy God commanded thee,
22 But camest back, and hast eaten
bread and drunk water in the place, of the which the LORD did say to thee, Eat
no bread, and drink no water; thy carcase shall not come unto the sepulchre of
23 And it came to pass, after he had eaten bread, and after he
had drunk, that he saddled for him the ass, to wit, for the prophet whom he had
24 And when he was gone, a lion met him by the way, and slew
him: and his carcase was cast in the way, and the ass stood by it, the lion also
stood by the carcase.
a true man of God disobeys God, he is chastened, even though he spoke for God
and his prophecy was fulfilled.
A alleged man of God who sins willfully, in
the Old Testament, is a Bastard.
12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye
bastards, and not sons.
Kings 17:17 And it came to pass after these things, that the son of the woman,
the mistress of the house, fell sick; and his sickness was so sore, that there
was no breath left in him.
18 And she said unto Elijah, What have I to do
with thee, O thou man of God? art thou come unto me to call my sin to remembrance,
and to slay my son?
19 And he said unto her, Give me thy son. And he took
him out of her bosom, and carried him up into a loft, where he abode, and laid
him upon his own bed.
20 And he cried unto the LORD, and said, O LORD my God,
hast thou also brought evil upon the widow with whom I sojourn, by slaying her
21 And he stretched himself upon the child three times, and cried unto
the LORD, and said, O LORD my God, I pray thee, let this child's soul come into
22 And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the
child came into him again, and he revived.
true man of God ministers mightily to widows and orphans.
Kings 1:9 Then the king sent unto him a captain of fifty with his fifty. And he
went up to him: and, behold, he sat on the top of an hill. And he spake unto him,
Thou man of God, the king hath said, Come down.
10 And Elijah answered and
said to the captain of fifty, If I be a man of God, then let fire come down from
heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And there came down fire from heaven,
and consumed him and his fifty.
man of God has the power of God at his disposal.
man of God--
Chronicles 11:2 But the word of the LORD came to Shemaiah the man of God, saying,
3 Speak unto Rehoboam the son of Solomon, king of Judah, and to all Israel
in Judah and Benjamin, saying,
4 Thus saith the LORD, Ye shall not go up,
nor fight against your brethren: return every man to his house: for this thing
is done of me. And they obeyed the words of the LORD, and returned from going
5 And Rehoboam dwelt in Jerusalem, and built cities for
defence in Judah.
man of God speaks for the Lord, which in the Church Age, means rightly dividing
the Word of truth as a teacher. Screaming and wailing and preaching the Gospel
Sunday after Sunday to saved people is NOT teaching saints.
Chronicles 30:16 And they stood in their place after their manner, according to
the law of Moses the man of God: the priests sprinkled the blood, which they received
of the hand of the Levites.
Ezra 3:2 Then stood up Jeshua the son of Jozadak,
and his brethren the priests, and Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel, and his brethren,
and builded the altar of the God of Israel, to offer burnt offerings thereon,
as it is written in the law of Moses the man of God.
true man of God's words are not soon forgotten or disobeyed.
12:3 (Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face
of the earth.)
word "meek" and "pastor" are seldom used together today, in
fact, most pastors consider a meek man as a wimp and worthless to his master plan
for self-exaltation. Of course, these pastors would despise Jesus if he were to
slip in the back door and sit down:
5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
promotes the meek-- Pastors promote themselves.
75:6 For promotion cometh neither from the east, nor from the west, nor from the
comes out of the "sides of the North" where God's throne is, which is
missing in the verse.
3:35 The wise shall inherit glory: but shame shall be the promotion of fools.
A Prayer of Moses the man of God. Lord, thou hast been our dwelling place in all
of God in the Old Testament, as with David also, was contemplative and creative.
Both David and Moses, while mighty men of God, wrote very sensitive words for
the saints to sing in worship. Lord have mercy on us, for we have ten thousand
slow bellied slobs in American churches who never smell the roses, and who mock
at tears. The most creative thing they do is bombast, bluster, and the bull. Oh
yes, these slow bellies are great bird watchers at church dinners-- they love
12:24 And the chief of the Levites: Hashabiah, Sherebiah, and Jeshua the son of
Kadmiel, with their brethren over against them, to praise and to give thanks,
according to the commandment of David the man of God, ward over against ward.
man of God did not have to only be a prophet in the Old Testament. David was a
king. Can we imagine a MAN OF GOD being a Senator or IRS agent?
qualities we see in the men of God of the Old Testament:
Worldly possessions were not in their interests. In fact, they all bordered on
poverty, and some lived in borrowed rooms. Elisha turned down payment from Namaan,
and Moses left the royal palaces of Egypt to serve God.
The man of God ministered just as freely to the poor and failing saints as to
kings and rulers.
The man of God did not cut and run. He stayed on the job until God provided a
man to replace him.
The man of God was tender hearted. He is the man who said:
23:1 The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.
2 He maketh
me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.
He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's
4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will
fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest
my head with oil; my cup runneth over.
6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow
me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.
that sound like your pastor? Or is this your Psalm?
pastor is my boss man, but he don't feed me much,
He keeps me in constant motion
serving him, and all the church is in a frenzy;
He does not ask about my soul--
And I have to tell my kids not to talk like the pastor,
When I am
sick, he never shows up, but he sure gets into a rage when I mess up;
our family was broke, he never helped us, just said, "keep prayin', brutha."
pastor pours oil on my head all right, but it is on fire;
When I go home Sunday
night after church, my cup is pretty much empty.
But, I know he will follow
me until I die, screaming-- "GET RIGHT !" and
You know, I can't wait to die and
go to heaven to be with Jesus.
"MAN OF GOD" IN THE NEW TESTAMENT
are the only two verses that use the words, "MAN OF GOD" in the New
Timothy 6:11 But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness,
godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.
man of God is defined here as:
Man of God
Man of God of the Vatican, the Reformation (Calvin and Zwingli), the Puritans,
Evangelicalism, and the Fundamental Baptists (KJV only)
and demanding of praise and cash|
Preoccupied with earthly issues-- Lust for
food, women, and authority
Doubt the salvation of all men-- Demand the saints
pay preacher's way 100%
Never visit in homes or cafes with saints-- Hang out
with other "men of God"
Enraged and sarcastic with weak saints--
Denigrate those who are slow
Always put themselves forward-- Dress in preacher
clothes all week
a biblical "MAN OF GOD" is hard to find today in what we call a pastor.
are not claiming that there are no godly pastors in the Lord's Church today, but
if we allow even one, then every spiritual Bastard
in Christendom will leap into the role of the one rare exception. You must understand
that your pastor is very likely NOT a "MAN OF GOD" by Paul's definition.
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration
of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished
unto all good works.
we come to the final "MAN OF GOD" in the Church Age. He is ANY Bible
believing man. In fact, "man" in the verse is clearly the generic or
larger use of the word and includes born again ladies
as used in I Peter 3:1-4.
IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE DANGER OF POWER
can a preacher command his people to tithe? Win souls? Attend church? Get baptized?
Because it is in the Bible. A fundamental preacher must always ask himself: Do
I have Biblical authority to say that? Where in the Bible is it?"
Al V. Hughes
man broke his own rule.
is not commanded in the New Testament. This man is a liar and a wolf. He claims
the power to command things God did not command.
OF MOTHER GOOSE
church leaders to demand unquestioning loyalty is a perversion of biblical truth
and is the mark of a cult. The Bible gives authority to pastors and elders (Heb.
13:7, 17), but that authority is not unlimited or unquestionable. Those who demand
blind obedience from their people are cult leaders."
good. But, there is just one little problem-- the Bible nowhere gives authority
to a pastor-- it is not stated. Now, it would be in order to give them honor because
they labor in the Word:
Timothy 5:17 Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour,
especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.
this is applied to elders, not pastors in particular. David Cloud means well,
and the article
from which I took this is well done, but this shows how Fundamentalists with
great Bible study experience still make stock statements because they serve the
traditions and heritage of Baptists et al.
BIBLE USE AGAIN
things earthly are liable to abuse, and that feature of congregational church
government which places all the members on an equality in the transaction of church
business, has been, in some instances at least, suffered to interfere with the
deference due to pastors. There is a class of Scriptures whose import is not sufficiently
considered — such as the following: “And we beseech you, brethren, to know them
which labor among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you; and to
esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake.” “Let the elders that rule
well be counted worthy of double honor, especially they who labor in the word
and doctrine.” “Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken to
you the word of God.” “Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves:
for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account.” In
these passages pastors are referred to, and there is claimed for them an
authority not belonging to other church-members."
is just one problem. As with David Cloud above, this article fails to find the
word "pastor" in the text quoted. It just is not there. Again, these
people keep saying a text is speaking about something not stated. This is the
logic and method of heretics like the Mormons and the Catholic Whore of Rome.
MAN OF GOD AS HE IS
VERSUS PREACHING DOUBT
ARE WOLF PACKS
ARTICLE ON THIS TOPIC--
NEED YOUR HELP, BROTHER...."
YOUR PASTOR A GOAT KEEPER
INSTEAD A SHEPHERD?
OF FALSE PROPHETS
FROM A READER
want you to notice the many qualities in the above study of the biblical man of
God which are violated by the preachers and their leaders in this lady's experience:
Brother & Sister Van Nattan,
I emailed recently and I'm still reading your web site with much interest. You
have touched on a number of things that had troubled me over the thirty years
since I accepted the Lord.
First, I must say I appreciate how much you quote from Hebrews because it is one
of my favorite books. Hebrews 9:14 "How much more shall the blood of Christ, who
through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience
from dead works to serve the living God?" (The Trinity!) and many other verses.
I appreciate your insight about using the Gospels for soul winning rather than
the Epistles. I would often 'doubt' that I could have been 'really saved' because
the "Roman's Road' was not the method of my salvation. As an unsaved Protestant,
I read Proverbs in the 1974-era Living Bible paraphrase and I started thinking
about God having a way for me to live that I never realized before. I was under
conviction with 'it is better to dwell in the attic than with a quarrelsome, cranky
Months later, I heard the Gospel of Luke preached on the radio and I especially
remember Luke 2:52 "And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with
God and man." (KJV) Not your typical salvation passage! But it became 'real' to
me that Jesus was God from Heaven in flesh, and I called on the 'name of the Lord'
and He forgave me took away the burden of my sins -- alone in my car on the way
to work. Not the Romans Road. Not an altar call. So, I often felt that maybe I
didn't hear the 'correct' verses to really get saved, yet I knew that the Lord
had come into my heart and I really was a "new creature" in Christ... I had new
As a new Christian the Lord soon showed me the truth about the King James Bible
preserved by God and I have taken a stand for the KJV Bible. For example, when
our son was in Christian high school, a teacher wanted the class to memorize 2
Peter from the NASV. I spoke to the principal, and defended the KJV. He seemed
to take in what I was saying but he had a lot of pressure from 'scholarly' families
to use other versions and said to me, "What is truth?" An example I gave
was I Pet 1:21 "but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."(KJV).
The NASV omits (holy) and (of God) ...so the NASV is left only with 'men' speaking.
had recent difficulties in two KJV Bible churches. I drove to a nearby KJV church
where I was a church pianist for fifteen years attendance went downhill and the
good pastor left. The next BJU preacher had his eye on coming into the church,
and he had a 'plan'. Soon he made stops at our house and befriended my unsaved
husband but never presented the Gospel to him. My husband is not gullible, but
he did go with me to a church picnic. But this pastor was a 'user'. Once he realized
my husband's skills and workmanship, the pastor tried to get him involved in repairs
and installation of organ at the church, but my husband (wisely) didn't take the
bait. But we did use our truck and gave him many things when we had to empty my
mother's house. Watching him selectively search through some things gave me an
In church, he took notice of how I was dressed [I'm conservative!] and his eyes
would go from my head to feet. (Was my hair the 'right' length, my dress 'long'
enough-- midcalf) When he learned that I also could play organ, little did I know
that he had a 'plan' for me. The impoverished country church received an expensive
organ from an 'anonymous' donor, and 'guess who' was delegated to the organ while
his wife went to the piano-- poor player but I tried to encourage her.
Although my husband and I had both our parents in local long term care, a couple
left the church (trouble w/pastor) so I also took on that SS class along with
the changes of switching to organ, etc. My dear brother died suddenly that same
year which overwhelmed me. By year's end, I collapsed and was taken to the Emergency
Room after a basic health screening test. The pastor didn't visit our home at
either time of our troubles. And when I told the pastor that I no longer wanted
to play the organ, his whole countenance changed in a moment. Due to distance
and severe winter weather for six weeks, I emailed him or left a telephone message
that I could not be at church, but not a word of acknowledgment from him. I don't
know what he was thinking.
After six weeks, he sent emails asking if I would come back either on organ or
piano. I over-explained myself by emails, then. I tried to talk to him by phone,
but he would not return my calls. [I learned that he wanted everything 'in writing'
]. I had never had such an experience with a pastor as this! The severe weather
broke and I went to church. His topic for the month was on 'love'. Have you ever
watched a preacher get red faced and blazing with brimstone giving a sermon on
'love'? After that I stopped sitting alone and in front... although I should have
left altogether, because it just got worse!
lady did not understand what was happening here. She did not have a born again
husband, or he would have been there with her and would have caught this.
filthy scum bag preacher was trying to wear the lady down as to submission and
take charge of her mind. The trick then is, after she is broken and ready to submit,
to transfer her submission from her husband ("after all, he is unsaved")
to the preacher.
preacher's eyes tell me what comes next-- she will be counseled in fine detail
about submission, she will be flattered and fawned over, she will be consulted
on personal matters, and finally, she will be worked into bed with the preacher.
As one animal in northern Indiana did when he asked his secretary, who was not
his wife, to be his best friend.
when you allow your wife to become the servant of the jerkawallah pastor, you
need to start planning what to do with her after she comes crawling back to you
preacher who has women serving him, even as church secretaries, is a dangerous
man and a sex pervert.
a man is not available to be church secretary, it is not God's will for the church
to have one.
I asked to talk to him about the music, he was evasive. My husband and I went
on a short vacation, and the very Sunday that I returned to church, lo and behold
the pastor and deacon were 'ready to talk' to me in the office. [I was a lamb
lead to the slaughter.] I admit I had grown angry about his evasiveness,. But
rather than coming to an understanding about the music issue, he intimidated me
with quoting from his printed-out emails to 'correct' me if I misspoke, and he
opened his KJV Bible to I Peter 3.
his eyes went from my head to toe examining me, he began to rebuke me about my
not being in subjection to my husband -- because I was not in agreement with my
husband about moving to another state as he wanted to do in retirement! (This
was an ongoing discussion of pros and cons in our marriage, not insubordination!)
Then the deacon chimed in with the pastor about my moving to another state-- because
he also liked it there. I felt like I was being assaulted in that room!
I kept trying to make the situation 'right', but it kept getting 'worse'. Finally,
without a lot of details, and only mentioning the organ/piano problem, I just
asked my husband what I should do. Though unsaved, he has a LOT of discernment
from the working world [remember, I was in an emotionally and physically weakened
condition]. My husband said 'It's his church and he can do what he wants." What
a relief! Soon I wrote a BRIEF letter to "withdraw" my membership... no reason
given. He put his own 'spin' on why I left.
I began regularly attending a small, conservative KJV Bible church three miles
from our home. The preaching was very deep and full of Scripture. But I again
made the mistake of eventually telling this pastor 'why' I left the other church.
[Why do I think I have to explain myself or my actions to other people?-- to be
accepted by them? You'd think I had learned my lesson!] After six months, I felt
shocked that this pastor was joining efforts with the previous pastor to reach
the teens in both churches by taking them on adventures and supporting church
events together. I really had an inner struggle, because I didn't want to harbor
bitterness, but I was afraid that the pastors would talk about me. We live in
the country, I didn't know where else to go to church, so I kept attending. I
even considered joining, but I had inner turmoil, so did not join.
I tried to look for ways to be a blessing to folks-- take a meal for a widow,
baby clothes for a single mother, be helpful and friendly. The pastor watched
my actions. I felt the women were very guarded. The wife of the head deacon /
Sunday School teacher asked for prayer in women's prayer group because their two
young children were afraid of their Dad because of his anger. The pastor's mother
is divorce and remarried, as well as another deacon and wife both divorced from
This pastor holds a Bible study in a local jail and the nursing home where my
aging mother has Parkinson's, and he said he was able to lead her to the Lord--
but it's hard to tell.
Along with multi problems at the nursing home, I was getting depressed with the
whole situation at church, and finally I just stopped attending. No one has called
or visited, even though my mother was very sick, and the pastor had to have know.
(Oh, yes, I should have guessed.... I'm not a 'member'.) The two things that troubled
me about joining were that this pastor told me he is Calvinist, and this church
is united with an incorporated fellowship of churches. I don't read "Inc." in
my KJV Bible.
I feel I'm a person with some discernment and I don't consider myself 'stupid'
(I have some college etc.)-- but after being a homemaker for many years, I just
have not dealt with unsettling situations like this. I'm a quiet temperament,
but friendly and I've seemed to get along with others. Now I just look for ways
to stay close to the Lord, such as Blessed Quietness web site and I am
finding that I need the strength of my dear but unsaved husband with his manly
protection over me more and more. I play hymns on the piano at the nursing home
for my mother (who first taught me), and others are also blessed. Also I'm gradually
finding a few Christians there in various stages of growth.
Well, I hope you and your wife don't mind this long email. Your web site has been
a help to me and I hope I'm not wrong in thinking I could share these things with
both of you. If you have time, your spiritual insight would be helpful.
In Christian Sincerity,
The "MAN OF GOD" is feared and finally fled from, but the wimp does
not give the Gospel to man.
The "MAN OF GOD" rules the saints by intimidation and rage.
The "MAN OF GOD" is covetous.
The "MAN OF GOD" is a sex pervert and uses standards of modesty to hide
The "MAN OF GOD" does not love the sheep-- is not mereciful.
The "MAN OF GOD" builds a trail of paper for evil purposes.
The "MAN OF GOD" acts like a big baby when he does not get his way.
As the unsaved husband said about the jerk pastor above, "It's his church...."
YOU such a "MAN OF GOD"?
Once you discern that a pastor is a brute and a bastard,
do not explain yourself-- LEAVE.
You owe such a jerk nothing.
you are born again, sir,
YOU are "THE MAN OF GOD" in your home, at
work, and to your wife.
If you are not born again, sir, you still must not
let any other man, under color
being the "MAN OF GOD," take any authority
over your wife and kids.
Don't let any small greazzzzy scum take that God given
position away from you.
What about the assembly of saints?
Who is the "THE
MAN OF GOD" there?
Answer: All the born again men who attend.
tender foot will read this page and say, "This man is too harsh. He will
undermine the respect of the saints for pastors in the churches."
you I answer, "I am only sorry that Christian restraint does not allow me
to be even harsher, and I do indeed hope to see thousands of Christ's sheep rescued
from the wolves who prey on them."
DISCE, AUT DISCEDE
Jesus of the modern "Man of God"
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